"Joel, he... he killed the one person I knew in the world who knew my mom. I didn't know that. I guess I might have suspected, but... now I know for sure. I thought I'd hate him for it, but after talking to her..."

There's a lot of trailing off there, and Ellie shrugs.

"I don't know. It's upsetting but I guess I'm--maybe I get it more than I thought I would."

There's another shrug.

"I knew she was dead anyway, so. Dead is dead."